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Job loss on Probezeit with pending citizenship application

Trabantlover

How to go from here and what now?


I'm a 31 year old Canadian national. I came to Berlin in October 2019, began working in January 2020 and worked the same job in my field of expertise until December 2024 when my company went bankrupt. I've been dismissed today from my part-time job (30 hours minimum) at a museum after 5 months of work, I was still on probation (Probezeit) and was hired back in April 2024.


In early June this year, I applied for citizenship despite still being on Probezeit and of course have not yet heard back from LEA since though I did get a Transaktionsnummer.  I have a lawyer but did not inform him that I applied for citizenship back in June or that I got fired earlier today. I am concerned that my application has not been opened yet largely due to me been/having been on Probezeit at a new job. We all know LEA are extremely reluctant to handle cases like mine.


The problem is that now whenever I find a new job I will be on Probezeit AGAIN which means more time wasted. The earliest I can leave Probezeit with a new job (assuming I don't get fired again beforehand and assuming I find a job within the next 2-3 weeks) is now March 2026 and the latest is sometime in mid to late 2026. That means that my citizenship application might at best remain completely untouched by LEA from June 2025 to March 2026 and at worse from June 2025 to an indefinite period of time beyond maybe June 2026.


Knowing all of this, what can I do now about my citizenship application so that it doesn't get stalled and not even opened pending a stable job situation without Probezeit? How to go from here and what can I do now? I know there is technically the option to get citizenship while you're jobless but I'm not sure it would work in my case since I'm single and while I do own an apartment I don't have anyone to financially support me. I will definitely talk to my lawyer also soon. I need citizenship to move on with my life finally.


Thanks in advance for your advice and thoughts, I'm going through a really difficult time.

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beppi

According to your past posts, which I remember well, you are rather unlucky in the choice of your employers.

Your first posts were about your job in a company that was shut down due to criminal activities in busting sanctions against Russia. You lost your PR-application due to this.

Now you lost another job (for reasons unknown to us - no reasons need to be given for a termination within probation) and will probably lose the citizenship application due to that.

I wonder why you don't follow our advice, given in the previous threads, to sort out the other aspects of your life first and worry about PR-/citizenship later? Doing it the other way round, as you mistakenly indicate in your post you must, is counter-intuitive and might just lead to more problems and a longer wait.

SimCityAT

@Trabantlover

Get a steady job first, and then after a few years, apply for citizenship. Your case file can't be looking good, and they do keep records of everything. 

beppi

I fully agree with SimCityAT above.

If you rush it, you will fail. Better steady and safe!

SimCityAT

@Trabantlover

Just to further add, why hold back from telling the whole story? If you want them to help you, tell them everything. I am also confused. If you have a lawyer with legal experience, then why are you coming here to ask for advice?

TominStuttgart

I remember your past posts very well. You have consistantly scoffed at, if not out right rejected, most advice. Now you are repeating yourself. It is very unwise to try to get through such an application without a steady job. Better to wait than to fail and have it on your record. One can apply again but such failures are a red flag. And you have a lawyer but don't tell them such basic information?! WTF! Really?! How are we supposed to help someone who does such things? Tell your lawyer everything or else you are wasting money and both your and the lawyer's time.

Trabantlover

@Trabantlover
Get a steady job first, and then after a few years, apply for citizenship. Your case file can't be looking good, and they do keep records of everything. - @SimCityAT

I already applied for citizenship, I can't afford to waste more years of my life and apply in 2030 or something. I had a steady job full time for nearly 5 years, my case file looks fine.

Trabantlover

According to your past posts, which I remember well, you are rather unlucky in the choice of your employers.Your first posts were about your job in a company that was shut down due to criminal activities in busting sanctions against Russia. You lost your PR-application due to this.Now you lost another job (for reasons unknown to us - no reasons need to be given for a termination within probation) and will probably lose the citizenship application due to that.I wonder why you don't follow our advice, given in the previous threads, to sort out the other aspects of your life first and worry about PR-/citizenship later? Doing it the other way round, as you mistakenly indicate in your post you must, is counter-intuitive and might just lead to more problems and a longer wait. - @beppi


That's not why the company was shut down, I never said that.


Because I can't, I've wasted enough time already as it is, years even.

SimCityAT

According to your past posts, which I remember well, you are rather unlucky in the choice of your employers.Your first posts were about your job in a company that was shut down due to criminal activities in busting sanctions against Russia. You lost your PR-application due to this.Now you lost another job (for reasons unknown to us - no reasons need to be given for a termination within probation) and will probably lose the citizenship application due to that.I wonder why you don't follow our advice, given in the previous threads, to sort out the other aspects of your life first and worry about PR-/citizenship later? Doing it the other way round, as you mistakenly indicate in your post you must, is counter-intuitive and might just lead to more problems and a longer wait. - @beppi
That's not why the company was shut down, I never said that.

Because I can't, I've wasted enough time already as it is, years even. - @Trabantlover

@beppi it would seem this is a different person.


This was his previous post > /en/forum/europe/g … -here.html

beppi

@SimCityAT It was the same user. He even that time disputed that his company did something illegal, although (in his own words in a post of that time)

the company is not going bankrupt, it is simply being shut down by the German government because it has ties to Russia.

Sanctions busting was my interpretation, and most likely in this case - but without grave (and proven) illegal actions, no company can be closed down like that.


@Trabantlover You are repeating your past mistakes, despite all of us advising you against it.

I fail to understand how you want to avoid "wasting time" by lowering your chances of success - and also how continuing to live in Germany as a foreigner with a valid visa (as millions of others do) is "wasting time". You seem rather misguided (and impervious to advice that contradicts your beliefs).

If you don't want to wait until you can get German citizenship, maybe moving to another country with easier to fulfil requirements is an option?

SimCityAT

@beppi

Ah, yes, do remember now.


....... and what is the urgency to get German citizenship? 

Trabantlover

@beppi
Ah, yes, do remember now.
....... and what is the urgency to get German citizenship? - @SimCityAT

That's personal and not something I'm willing to discuss here.

Trabantlover

@SimCityAT It was the same user. He even that time disputed that his company did something illegal, although (in his own words in a post of that time)
the company is not going bankrupt, it is simply being shut down by the German government because it has ties to Russia.
Sanctions busting was my interpretation, and most likely in this case - but without grave (and proven) illegal actions, no company can be closed down like that.
@Trabantlover You are repeating your past mistakes, despite all of us advising you against it.
I fail to understand how you want to avoid "wasting time" by lowering your chances of success - and also how continuing to live in Germany as a foreigner with a valid visa (as millions of others do) is "wasting time". You seem rather misguided (and impervious to advice that contradicts your beliefs).
If you don't want to wait until you can get German citizenship, maybe moving to another country with easier to fulfil requirements is an option? - @beppi

What my previous company went through and why it was shut down is not the topic here nor is it relevant to my situation.


Moving to another country is not an option, no.

beppi

Moving to another country is not an option, no. - @Trabantlover

Well, then you will have to wait until you fulfil the requirements for PR or citizenship.

It's needed to achieve your important goal, so you shouldn't see it as "wasting time"!

Trabantlover

Moving to another country is not an option, no.  - @Trabantlover
Well, then you will have to wait until you fulfil the requirements for PR or citizenship.
It's needed to achieve your important goal, so you shouldn't see it as "wasting time"! - @beppi

I do. After 6 years (and by the time I get it it will be 8 or 9 maybe), I do see it as wasting time. I'm no longer 20 years old.

SimCityAT

@Trabantlover

We are going around in circles. You have asked for advice and chosen not to listen; you have a lawyer and fail to tell them everything. I dont know what you expect us to say to you. We can't change the law.


Be thankful it's not Austria €1650 a time, and you have to give up your previous citizenship that costs more, so €255 is nothing.


I wish you well for the future.