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British moving to Malaysia, hopefully!

Namarie

Hello,
planning to move and live in Malaysia, probably Penang. Is there any information how someone can live there after the three month visa for British passports of course after the covid border opening?

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sujitah

I suggest you post this question on a Malaysian expat forum on FB.
I can't advise you since I'm not a British passport holder.
However, I do know that there is/was a more formal long-term residence programme called MM2h (Malaysia My 2nd Home) that has been indefinitely (?!) suspended since last year.
Hope this helps!
Sujitah

cvco

Namarie wrote:

Hello,
planning to move and live in Malaysia, probably Penang. Is there any information how someone can live there after the three month visa for British passports of course after the covid border opening?


Hello....you cant simply walk in and live, youd need a visa, that being for education, work or marriage. After your 3 months, you would (in the old days) go out for a few days to Thailand or Singapore and then come back for another 3 months. You used to be able to do it many times, basically resulting in living here. That has ended. You MIGHT be able to get away with it a few times but not for long. So you need something higher than a tourist visa to stay longer. Malaysia is among the countries turning the switch off for expats.

That said, I think UK is on the 23-country ban list during Covid and that wont change until the virus cools off, maybe to zero, nobody knows. So unless you have an urgent, important reason to come, like a critical business meeting, you wont be given permission to enter right now.

Meantime, you can review the entry guidelines here and see if anything works for you.

Namarie

Thanks,
I know I cant move during Covid, not even allowed from UK.
But how to get a Visa to start my own business or teach there
still evades me.
First, lets hope that this covid nightmare is over soon!
Regards

cvco

USED TO BE that you could start a business cheap, fast and easy. The then prime minister, Mahathir, took that away in 2004, leaving foreigners the only option of starting a corporation with a local partner, board of directors, stock issuance pursuant to capital influx, hiring of a corporation secretary and accountant -- all time consuming and expensive propositions. Then the govt began closing the door on what constitutes a legit, meaningful and needed company, AND that hires, including you as Managing Director, under which position you could achieve a visa,  had to have something valuable to contribute to the country. We went through all of that, first opening a simple company in 2001, then converting to corporation in 2005, then suffering barrages of govt BS and red tape until we gave up in 2019 because I was no longer qualified to work in my own company, meaning that I could be a director but not work in it and therefore no more visa. When you have your own company you can apply for a visa to work in it but only under certain conditions, one of which is a high salary on which you would be paying income taxes. In our case, our company was solid and the rules grandfathered and we tried to find a buyer to take it over which they could do dirt cheap and easy but there were no takers. Thats very sad for them because of the difficulties in starting a new one now under the new rules that started in 2016. In fact, the rules are so harsh and expensive, Malaysia is literally the last place on earth i would even consider opening a new corporation. ¾ÅÉ«ÊÓÆµs wanting to have a company (and visa) here were extremely dumb not to take ours. What we gave up could never be achieved again by anyone.

So....unless you have some extraordinary idea and lots of capital, forget starting a business. That leaves you marriage, job or university. For jobs, you can certainly try to apply and if the employer can show the govt you have talent no local has, you have a chance. Such a job would give you a 2-year visa and thats renewable up to 10 years. The employer would handle the application for visa and those details pursuant to an employment contract. Since you need to be outside while applying for work, this would be a good time to try. You can search around this forum and google for links to employment agents, search for jobs offered and you can apply directly to companies of your choice. There IS hiring going on all the time although Covid will slow things down.

Meantime, do plan to come and take the full time of your 3-month visa to stay here and explore everything to see if Malaysia even makes sense to you to go to the effort to try to stay. Dont assume you would like it without trying it out first. I came on 3-month visas at least 3-4 times before I decided anything and in hindsight it probably wasnt enough.

Unlike the old days there are very few options for expats now. Many are trying for the retirement visa program and you can look into that too on this forum or the govt and agent websites (MM2H program) to see if you meet the criteria.

Namarie

thank you for your reply, I am an english teacher and artist and trying to find contacts in penang International schools and then see, my partner is retired so as he is my companion is not looking for work.  Even open my own business in my garden where I can teach and I am also a counsellor and artist plus Art therapist and Reiki Master, thats my idea of my business, a lovely garden & healing and teaching space?
Kind Regards
Petroula

cvco

Business comes in many forms but legally speaking, you need a way that doesnt involve simply opening on your own, and your plan wouldnt get you a visa either. I completely understand what you are trying to do and you are not alone in the desires. I was trying to point out that doing so properly is an expensive and complicated mess and is unavoidable. You cant simply arrive, plop yourself down and set up camp as you like. You are talking about circa 1970, not today.

The last thing you want is trouble with the authorities which can lead to fines, detention and deportation. At this time my advice is to try to find an existing company willing to hire and sponsor you and from that you can do your work without worry. Find and contact them, see what good can come from it, together with planning a trip when things open up again.

Namarie

Thank you for your advive,
I have been to Malaysia by the way of holiday many times and I
do hope to start my dream in a legal way.
Kind Regards
Petroula Zamani

Nemodot

Hi you say you are an English teacher, if you mean you have QTS then the best route is to apply for a job in an international schoolteacher there.

If you want to run a business the easiest way is if you have 2 million dollars in spare capital to invest to get PR. Apart from that MM2H does not allow you to run a business, and is dead at the moment. (it may get brought back - there is a capital requirement for this)

These are you main options (legal ones). Malaysia strictly controls foreigners working in Malaysia. Most other routes are closed, dodgy as hell (many get caught,  lose their business and deported) and can be very hard work.

Namarie

Thank you for your reply and info!
Best Wishes